Jul 23, 2017 #2 Look up the Beast brake, phenomenal brake at a decent price! is there any comparison of the terminator vs the others listed? Easy installation. Pulling out the set square shows that yes, it’s not 45degrees and a bit more than 30degrees, so 34degrees makes sense. The other downside of angled port designs is increased concussion/blast. The TF Terminator muzzle brake is KG Gunkoted Black & opened out as standard to take a maximum calibre of the .338 Lapua Magnum. Your a very brilliant young man, keep up the great work! CHECK LATEST PRICE. I tested the effectiveness of having a caliber-specific brake on 4 very different muzzle brake designs that I had in all calibers: the APA Little B*, Holland 1.25” Radial QD Brake, Impact Precision Brake, and West Texas Ordnance Brake. Great work as usual Cal and thank you for your time and effort. But that’s probably why that ammo is so legendary. In the next post, I’ll cover the results related to how well each muzzle brake helps you stay on target. Since I couldn’t come up with a really objective way to quantify that … I didn’t do any tests on it. The Hellfire was a little easier to setup. Both of the Alamo Four Star and American Precision Arms (APA) muz… Very durable as it is crafted from heat treated stainless steel. At least it’s plausible that could happen. Search for Witt Machine Mb1 Clampon Muzzle Brakes And X Terminator Muzzle Brake Witt Machine Mb1 Clampon Muzzle Brakes And X Terminator Muzzle Brake Ads Immediately . I've run the others (Hellfire, LB, SAS, SF etc.) Honestly, I’m not sure. Sorry if that was more confusing than helpful. Have a T-4 on my 338LM Improved, the recoil reduction is amazing, much better than any of the fat or little bastard brakes. So my guess is it may have been from a burr on the chamber or rifling. Muzzle Brakes: Recoil Reduction Results Summary, Vote For The Best 6.5 Creedmoor Match Ammo, Bullet Jump Research: Executive Summary & Load Development Tips. So that is roughly the same thing you’re asking … how much does the size of the hole matter. Has anyone tried the Dead Air Armament 7.62mm Key Mount Muzzle Brake on a 6.5 creedmoor? If that it what it has, it’s probably more effective … but also more dangerous. The Just-N-Time button sold by Collector Tethers in Gallatin, TN, has far more adjustability than any I have seen. It didn’t appear to be a baffle strike. Just wanted to share this, because I thought it was helpful. Hope this helps. That’s awesome, thank you for your explanations Cal ! Yes sir, I talked to Greg early on this process, and he was really helpful. At a match back in March, I was sighting in with a few other guys and reached up to make sure my suppressor was on tight. Which is better? Hey, Aaron. Muzzle Brake Comparison Chart. T3 Terminator muzzle brakes are designed for .223 to 338 Magnum cartridges on barrels up to 25mm diameter. I actually think this 3-part series m... Cal: Great question, Joe. However, I would have been quite interested in a parallel noise level study of the brakes you tested to see if there was a sweet spot where you get a generous reduction in recoil without a proportional increase in sound level or for that matter whether a reduction in recoil always cause a parallel increase in sound level. Now let’s get to the results of the individual muzzle brakes. One of our local benchrest ranges has put up removable barriers between benches for non-completion use. Greg’s brakes have beat out the APA brakes in testing….. You must log in or register to reply here. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. Ultimately, it’s a violent explosion every time you fire a round. Eddie. Or the T4. But, we can still learn stuff from recoil numbers. David Tubb, one of the most accomplished rifle shooters in history, helped me develop this part of the field test. Personally, I am using the SilencerCo ASR brake as it mates with the SilCo Saker that is waiting patiently in NFA jail. .270 Winchester.338 Winchester Mag. 5 Jetblast . This approach films really well, and it’s simplicity is very engaging. Bead Blasted SS. But, I may consider testing it in the future. There are clearly downsides to rearward deflection of gases, but it also has a measurable influence on recoil reduction. Great info: Did you look at the bore diameter of the brake compared to the bullet diameter ? And after I posted the data some smart guy came along and explained choked flow and incompressible fluids, and it totally made sense. Check out Precision Rifle blog. Best muzzle brake I've used, hands down. © Copyright 2021 PrecisionRifleBlog.com, All Rights Reserved. 42 Comments. Cal is a life-long learner, and loves to help others get into this sport he's so passionate about. EAN13 634482420775. Thanks for the kind words, Jerry. That makes me feel a lot more comfortable. Your tolerance for concussion and gas may outweigh the benefits of lower recoil. There's just too many options!!!!! I’ll have to check it out! and it self times on. Those unique quirks in the recoil signatures were consistent for a given rifle, even when using different muzzle brakes. If you run the data for the lightweight 308 vs the 14 lb 6.5 Creedmoor, JBM says the free recoil impulse of the 6.5 Creedmoor would be 2.6 lbf•s, and the 308 would be 2.8 lbf•s. T1 Terminator muzzle brake is designed for .223 to 300 Winchester Magnums on barrels up to 17mm diameter The T1 dimensions are, 17.2mm, 0.677” diameter, 50mm, 1.96” long, 35-40 grams, 1.23-1.41 ozs The T1 standard threads are, 7/16 x 28 for Kimbers, M13 x 0.75 & M13 x 1.25 for Brownings & ½ x 28 […] By the end you’ll know the best brake for your end-use and budget. T4 Brake T4 Terminator muzzle brakes are designed for .338 Lapua Magnum to 375/408 Cheytac, On barrels with a muzzle diameter to 29mm.3/4×24, 5/8×24 threads. It’s pretty technical, but it has to do with choked flow of fluids. One of the tips Greg gave me was if you want to really push a muzzle brake, test it on a big magnum pushing heavy bullets. I was hesitant to show the rifle comparison, but thought it was a cool visualization to help people wrap their heads around what was happening to the force at the butt of the rifle when you apply a brake. I'm looking for muzzle brake recommendations for a 28 Nosler and a .308 Win. But, out of all the brake manufacturers I’ve talked to (more than what’s represented here), there was only one doing that kind of computational modeling to aid in design. Thanks for the kind words. I do plan to post some stuff related to muzzle blast. Not only was the peak of the force reduced, but the total impulse or momentum coming back at the shooter was also reduced (represented by the total “area under the curve”). It can't be reasoned with. In the context of recoil reduction, one bit of data I wish were available for comparison is brake-mounted suppressors and how they would perform in comparison to bare muzzle brakes and direct-thread mounted suppressors. I do believe this to be an important consideration, and I’d be curious to see how each muzzle break ranks in this department. Thanks for mentioning it. As always, CR, thanks for the thought-provoking feedback. Features to Consider When Buying Car Brakes . The new caps I made for the Beast II brakes are the same diameter as the brake. Some shooters would rather deal with the extra recoil than the increased concussion from that shock wave. I don’t want to present this as “right or wrong.” It’s up to each shooter to strike the right balance for their application. I've used several including but not limited to: hellfire, mad scientist and MPA's muzzle break. This isn’t a stock field test, but I thought that was interesting to note … and maybe an idea for a future project! I was seriously considering purchasing the APA little “B” for a rifle I am having built right now, but decided against it because many of the reviews I read said that while it’s an effective device for cutting down recoil, it also has a tendency to throw up a lot of dust which quickly inhibits the shooter’s visibility downrange. I have a few ideas myself after handling all these brakes. I know there are a ton of sharp engineers that read this, so maybe someone else will chime in. This is just one of a whole series of posts related to this muzzle brake field test. This article covers the muzzle brakes and suppressors the top 170+ precision rifle shooters in the country are running. You are using an out of date browser. Based on some of my other tests and computer simulations I’ve heard about, the 1st baffle is doing the majority of the work. Getting a T 4 Terminator brake for my 300 Norma build for sure . PX Member. Are these the top two self timing brakes or are there better options out there? I look forward to your articles, very informative, very interesting as I shoot long range, so, I can’t wait to the next write up. Cal Zant is the shooter/author behind PrecisionRifleBlog.com. Another reader asked a very similar question, and I answere... Heath: You’re pretty much regurgitating Bryan Litz’s books with this particular present... Joe Bellicini: Once again, well done. Suivant . Install video on the webpage. To each his own. Additional information. Or the first baffles could to pointed downrange for noise attenuation then subsequent baffles directed back for peak efficiency…thus they would cancel out much of the blast reaching the shooter.?. CR, those are all good points. That was the Alamo Four Star Cowl Induction Muzzle Brake for all but the 308 Win, where the APA Fat B* did slightly better. For instance, I am running a Dasher so I went with a PVA Mad Scientist because they are know for having less concussion and I was more looking for muzzle rise reduction than anything else. That way, when the guy with the new 338LM and the enormous muzzle brake starts shooting next to you without the obligatory warning, you don’t end up with all your paperwork blown away and a raging headache. I run multiple Terminator brakes and I’ve never seen an issue with excessive dust or debris. So stay tuned! Although the saga has had notable ups and downs, the basic core story of killer cyborgs sent back in time to kill Sarah and John Connor has thrilled audiences worldwide for decades and has left … And finally, what will be really different between the two is the acceleration of the rifles. Was the shrapnel from some misalignment, or from some remaining milling debris or flashing, (it -was- a prototype) , .. or did the shrapnel seem to be a function of destabilization in designs using such a radical degree of cutback? You can view those results here: Greg from Terminator Products recently sent me a cool video of a test he did with a few of these brakes. The only thing that comes close are the Beast brakes by Muzzle brakes & more. So I’m not sure what the impact would be. Ah – Thanks I was ambiguous. This results in a very neutral feel to the firing rifle unlike some brakes that depend primarily on the thrust effect. I have a clamshell brake for a .50 and the bore starts out larger than .500 and steps down closer to .500 at each baffle. That’s a great point, but that hasn’t been my experience with the APA muzzle brakes. Trijicon Ventus: Measuring Range AND WIND! Here is another look at that same data: The impulse (area under the curve) is 4.4 lbf•s on the 6.5 Creedmoor, and 4.6 on the 308. I also have the Area 419 self timing Hellfire muzzle brake on my 6.5 Creedmoor. Yes sir. and decided to put all JB's on all my guns. I plan to speak more towards this in a later post, but I’ll give a short explanation here. Best Sellers Chrome Shop Combo Items Electronics Engine Items Gift Certificates Practice Trees Racer Essentials Alpha D Steering Wheel Trans Brake Buttons & Cords Racer Essentials Safety & Racewear Shifting Throttle Controls Demos/Refurbs Weather Stations Web Specials. Clearly something to keep in mind. The concussion from those big magnums can devastating. I am in the middle of my sons first rifle build. www.muzzlebrakesandmore.com. Beauty and the Beast is the clear winner. I’m not sure what tuning it to a load would mean. I’m obviously not trying to sell anything here, so you can take it or leave it. On the upper-end, if a brake reduced recoil by an average of 44% or more, which only the top 2 brakes did, it received a full 10.0 rating. Yikes. This is the best muzzle brake to have if your Creedmoor has a ⅝ x 24 TPI threaded muzzle. He even gives some of the math behind it. Stay tuned! Just as (if not more) effective than the APA and Area 419 brakes, but less obnoxious on the shooter as the gas is directed perpendicular to the shooter. I recorded 44 rounds, and it had an SD of 10.4 fps. Pick one that you like and use it. I thoroughly enjoy your research and efforts! It penetrated 2 shirts and caused a wound deep enough to see flesh. There are a few to choose from. This is about all I could think of to speak to that. I devised several methods for ratings, but this seemed the most objective and fair. On my rating system, if a brake were to have an average recoil reduction of 15% or less, it would receive a rating of 0. Terminator muzzle brakes are the most effective muzzle brake on the planet. Terminator Salvation (2009) Terminator Salvation's most admirable virtue is that it broke the mold of the first three films and tried to tell a different kind of story. Here are all the Terminator movies ranked, worst to best. His videos are well done, and show the advantage a muzzle brake offers in a very clear and compelling way. When using ATC with a 10 shot group what would be an acce... Shootin’ Okie: Thanks, for replying. I haven’t, but it sounds interesting. The ports look to be swept back approximately 45degrees, so they definitely send some shockwaves to the person beside you. So I switched to the Mad Scientist and ran that for a while, also a good brake. Perhaps if you’re a benchrest shooter you might notice something … but for us practical/tactical guys … it’s likely in the noise, and you wouldn’t miss a target because of it. Have a look at you tube for a recoil sled test by Terminator muzzle brakes from. Personality [edit | edit source] It can't be bargained with. Free shipping and returns on brake button is best and why you think it is the best. With this rating system, none of the numbers are based on where a brake ranked relative to the others tested. I believe it’s a serious safety issue, but you don’t have to believe that. I recorded it at the side of the rifle (according to mil-spec standards), and then also at the shooter’s position behind the rifle. Interesting, but I still don’t get it. They are the Harrell's 1" 4 port, the 5 port slabbed Muscle brake, the Terminator T-3 brake, and my 1.01" 4 port Beast brake. Here is another visualization of the overall ratings, including a photo of each brake. My question is did you add a suppressor in with these test like you did the muzzle movement test. Just trying to present the data to help fellow long-range shooters make more informed decisions. The TF has the same body as the TA & TE except it has a 3/4 x 24 thread. I've used about a half-dozen different .308 sized brakes and they basically all work the same. I would be willing to bet that the latter is not true due to the different designs of the brakes. ( 7.7 oz. Having handled a lot of muzzle brakes, I’d bet it’d be a top performer. If you look at the picture you can see the difference in a 4 port Lil Beast, 4 port Baby Beast max port 5/8x24, 3 port Baby Beast max port 5/8x24, and Baby Beast 1/2x28 regular port. I've been using the SUREFIRE MB in 5.56 & 7.62. They were concerned as well, and haven’t release that prototype for sale. Watch YouTube Video: Terminator Brakes VS The APA Fat B*tard & Alamo 4 Star. Secondly, there is a difference. Agrandir l'image. There seems to be a strong correlation between the angle and overall rank. It seems unbelievable that the 6 Lbs 308 rifle recoils as much as the 14 lbs 6.5 creedmore, can someone explain that to me ? Glad you find the approach helpful. I realize that probably isn’t what you want to hear, but unless you are buying me a rail gun … I’m not testing accuracy. Also, if you want to find out more about the different calibers, check out our comparisons of the 308 vs 30 06 and the 6 5 Creedmore vs 308 Winchester. Field Tests & Studies, Reviews & Field Tests, Suppressors & Muzzle Brakes It would seem that the proper fit would have an effect on the efficiency of the brake. I like small groups when I hand load, but but like to shoo... Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives 4.0 International License. I could scroll back up the post and be exact but hell, the light weight hunting model .308 without optics weighed just over half of the heavy target rifles. Had an Area 419 and loved it. If you don't mind using shims to time the brake, Ross Schuler builds a great brake at 1/3 - 1/2 the cost of the other brakes. I am asking for opinions on which adjustable trans. Does a brake-mounted suppressor have less recoil than a thread-mounted suppressor? Well, Heath, I couldn't disagree more. MovieMelee. My hypothesis is some yes, some no. Reactions: kingston. Thanks, Julian. Cal It sounds to me like you guys neglected to check your bore for obstructions…… Have a T-4 on my 338LM Improved, the recoil reduction is amazing, much better than any of the fat or little bastard brakes. All I can say for sure is that is what was recorded, so that’s what I’m presenting. Standard hole size 6mm, must be opened up to correct calibre by a Gunsmith. That is when I decided to go 300 Norma with the heavy 230gr Berger bullets. Glad you found it helpful. That could’ve been much worse, so I’d just prefer to go a little safer … Even if it means I endure slightly more recoil. So that shows there just isn’t a big difference in overall impulse between the two rifles. Thank you in advance for your honest opinion. B. bigngreen Well-Known Member. NZ . T4 Terminator muzzle brakes are designed for magnum cartridges up to 375 Cheytac, on barrels with a muzzle diameter up to 29mm. In testing on a 6.5 Creedmoor there is very little difference in the max port Baby Beast and the Lil Beast brakes. Here are the muzzle brakes the top precision shooters were using at this year’s finale. It is specifically manufactured to replace the factory 338 Lapua Magnum Ruger Precision Rifle muzzle brake. 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It is actually a fairly violent period for a bullet. Reactions: calhunter805. I guess we need more data to really find out! It works as well as the APA, MPA and similarly designed muzzle brakes. We’re not exactly sure what happened, but it was some of the first shots out of that Savage rifle. I’ve talked to one engineer who does supersonic flow modeling on brake designs, and that sounds like the best way to “try out” design ideas like that. It doesn’t seem to be a stretch to think some of those kinds of particles may be blowing out the end of the barrel on every shot. Not as loud as I thought and the recoil was very soft with little job. Views: 314 moondog. Definitely a great question! The T4 Dimensions are, 1.14”, 29mm diameter, 3.54”, 90mm long, 6-6.5 oz, 170-185 grams Standard threads are 5/8 x 24, M18x1, ¾ … That’s a bold statement. So like I said in that post, I was surprised how little it mattered. I was a little disappointed to hear that the suppressor did very little to combat muzzle movement and now curious about felt recoil compared to a brake. Both guns have carbon/stainess sendero contour barrels and can take up to a 3/4-24 thread. All Terminator Muzzle brakes have flats for a spanner and so they can easily be fitted by the gunsmith. Let me know. Reduced recoil in exchange for concussion and gas. Mag..375 H & H.458 Winchester Mag .338 Winchester Mag.378 Wby. I'm tempted by the T4 but have some sticker shock going on. I believe much of that is correlated to stock design. No sir, we uncovered that we were likely hit by a piece of carbon that had built-up on the brake (like it does on all brakes), and eventually blew off (like it will eventually do on all brakes). A few people have mentioned that JEC seemed to be slow in processing orders. Very impressive. I realize that doesn’t help your concern, but it is impressive. Vs the Terminator T3..id be surprise if just as good . 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