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\nRe: History, not Mystery: Joseph Smith was a Pedophile
\nVery informative and well-documented-thank you. . 1, p. 697; “ Marriages in Nauvoo Region 1839-45;\" and Compton, “In Sacred Lonliness,” p. 606; cited in ibid)
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*Smith and 19-year-old Melissa Lott
\nSmith married Melissa in Nauvoo on 20 September 1843, with Hyrum Smith officiating:
\n“Melissa testified that her marriage to Smith included sex.”
\n(FamilySearch.com record for Joseph Smith Jr.; and Affidavit of Melissa Willes, 3 Auust 1893; cited in ibid)
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*Smith and 14-year-old Helen Mar Kimball
\nAs part of Smith\'s brimming quiver of teenager brides, in May 1843, in Smith\'s Nauvoo store, he married an underage 14-year-old female named Helen Mar Kimball. (Elder William Clayton affidavit, in “Historical Record,” vol. . to have some context within which to make our judgments. . it helps to understand the context from within which we assess the lecherous scumbag known as Joseph Smith. In young women, from the date of the first menstruation to the time at which she has become fitted for marriage, the average lapse of time is assumed by researchers to be two years.
\n\"Age of eligibility for women in Joseph Smith’s time-frame would start at a minimum of 19-and-a-half years old.
\n\"This would suggest that Joseph Smith had sexual relations and married several women before the age of eligibility, and some very close to the age of eligibility including:
\n\"Fanny Alger, 16
\n\"Sarah Ann Whitney, 17
\n\"Lucy Walker, 17
\n\"Flora Ann Woodworth, 16
\n\"Emily Dow Partridge, 19
\n\"Sarah Lawrence, 17
\n\"Maria Lawrence, 19
\n\"Helen Mar Kimball, 14
\n\"Melissa Lott, 19
\n\"Nancy M. Winchester, [14? . Joseph Smith had mixed success with personal finances, which is not what one would expect if someone really could divine for buried treasure! . ", (original manuscript of “Kirtland Revelation Book,” Church Historical Department, Ms f 490 # 2; “The Historical Record,” vol. Therein lies the true pathology of Mormonism.\"
\n(\"Joseph Smith, Menses, Pedophilia, Etc.,\" by \"TLC,\" on \"Recovery from Mormonism\" bulletin board, 9 August 2003, at: http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon253.htm)
\nDeconstructor concurs with the above assessment, declaring its findings to be \"absolutely correct.\"
\n(\"TLC Is Absolutely Correct; Here\'s a Repost on This Subject,\" by \"Deconstructor,\" on \"Recovery from Mormonism\" bulletin board, 9 August 2003, at: http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon253.htm)
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Don Bagley
\nRe: History, not Mystery: Joseph Smith was a Pedophile
\nThat\'s a lot of light on the subject, Steve. ". They should simply address his argument since anything else would be a red herring. Mormon Polygamy Timeline; The 1830s; The Prophet Secretly Teaches Polygamy; Other Mormon Leaders Practice Polygamy; John C. Bennett’s Spiritual Wifery; Emma Smith Struggles; Polygamy and the Martyrdom; Nauvoo Polygamists. Others simply restate that Joseph Smith really did have the power of divination. Described as \'a very nice and comly young woman,\' according to Benjamin Johnson, Fanny lived with the Smith family from 1833 to 1836.”
Fanny eventually became the target of Smith\'s sexual advances, with Smith\'s predatory behavior soon becoming the talk of the town:
\n“Martin Harris, one of the \'Three Witnesses\' to the Book of Mormon, recalled that the prophet\'s \'servant girl\' claimed he had made \'improper proposals to her, which created quite a talk amongst the people.\' Mormon Fanny Brewer similarly reported \'much excitement against the Prophet . Though there is no exacT date for her marriage to the prophet, the best hypothosis is that the ceremony took place in 1843.”
\n(Andrew Jenson, “LDS Biographical Encyclopedia” [1951], vol. The mean age of first marriages in colonial America was between 19.8 years to 23.7, most women were married during the age period of peak fecundity (fertility). "Mean pubertal age has declined by some 3.7 years from the 1840’s. In our efforts to sort through the wasteland that is Mormon history (fact vs. fiction), it's worthwhile . . Very informative and well-documented-thank you. https://religions.wiki/index.php?title=Joseph_Smith_was_a_con_man&oldid=42422, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5, Illegal banking, February 1837 (jumped bail, found guilty in absentia), Conspiracy to murder Newell, June 1837 (dismissed), Threats to Judge Adam Black, August 1838 (jumped bail), Missouri treason case, November 1838–39 (escape custody and fled), Arrest for fleeing Missouri, 1841 (released), Conspiracy to murder Governor Boggs, 1842–43 (released), Missouri treason case, June 1843 (dismissed), Perjury, fornication and polygamy, May 1844 (murdered while awaiting trial), Inciting a riot destroying the Nauvoo Expositor, June 1844 (murdered while awaiting trial), Treason against Illinois, June 1844 (murdered while awaiting trial). . Extreme susceptibility; passionately fond of the company of the other sex.\' The official \'History of the Church\' still publishes this chart, along with the caution that such a high score indicates \'extreme liability to perversion\' in the trait.”
\nPerversion is right.
\nSmith\'s moves to seduce other men\'s wives were so brazen and notorious that they led one distraught husband--Orson Pratt--to attempt suicide in Nauvoo on 15 July 1842:
\n“Thousands of Nauvoo Mormons search[ed] for Orson Pratt after discovering a suicide note. . Re: History, not Mystery: Joseph Smith was a Pedophile .\'
\n\"So, . [It] doesn\'t mean however, that he wasn\'t a lecherous scumbag who would stop at nothing to bed any young woman who captured his fancy.
\n\"More on sexual maturity among women.
\n\"As closely as I can tell from investigating the median age of menarche (first menses) in Joseph Smith\'s time, it is possible that one or two of the girls he married and/or had relations with might not have been sexually mature. Well known to biological anthropologists as the \"secular trend,\" this crash in the age of sexual maturity has proceeded at the rate of four months per decade and, in most populations, continues. In our efforts to sort through the wasteland that is Mormon history (fact vs. fiction), it\'s worthwhile . Joseph Smith’s Journal, Church History Library. I do it in my own name and in the name of my wife, your mother, and in the name of my holy progenitors, by the right of birth which is of priesthood, vested in my by revelation and commandment and promise of the living God, obtained by the Holy Melchizedek Jethro and others of the Holy Fathers, commanding in the name of the Lord all those powers to concentrate in you and through to your posterity forever. I know that my response would be visceral and swift. ", ("TLC Is Absolutely Correct; Here's a Repost on This Subject," by "Deconstructor," on "Recovery from Mormonism" bulletin board, 9 August 2003, at: http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon253.htm). . In fact, the official LDS publication, “History of the Church” (vol. In some developing countries age at menarche appears to be decreasing even faster. You'll find that one of the Smith girls was 19. Helen later confessed to a close friend in Nauvoo: "I would never have been sealed to Joseph had I known it was anything more than ceremony. .Smith received and recorded [this] revelation on polygamy, which remains in LDS church archives. W hen Joseph Smith, founder of the Mormon church, received a revelation in about 1831 in which he was commanded by God to break the law and take multiple wives, he … .
\n“\' . . "This would suggest that Joseph Smith had sexual relations and married several women before the age of eligibility, and some very close to the age of eligibility including: "'Joseph was very free in his talk about his women. . They find him distraught because Smith, according to Pratt's wife, had tried to seduce Pratt's wife Sarah.”. The next day, Smith came by to explain to Helen the “Law of Celestial Marriage,” and, having done that, to take her as his latest bride. In that case, the question of his trustworthiness is very relevant and an ad hominem is actually not fallacious in this context. Eventually, Smith's sexual excess caught up with him in court. . John Philip Walker, ed., Dale Morgan on Early Mormonism: Correspondence and a New History (Salt Lake City: Signature Books, 1986), 373, n. 44. I know it is a heroic undertaking; but so much the greater friendship and the more joy; when I see you I will tell you all my plans. . 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